The women pictured above were recently arrested on multiple hate crime charges.
NYPD officials have announced the arrests of two women for committing a hate crime assault on the Upper West Side earlier this month.
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The incident took place on Thursday, November 9 at about 9:55 p.m. at 82nd and Riverside Drive when a 41-year-old woman approached two unknown females who were taking down posters of Hamas’ hostages.
Following a verbal altercation, the two suspects assaulted the victim, ripped off her Star of David necklace, and caused damage to her phone before fleeing. The victim sustained minor injuries to her face and neck but refused further medical attention at the scene.
The two suspects have now been arrested, charged and identified.
On November 20, 25-year-old Yonkers resident Stephanie Gonzalez was arrested on Attempted Robbery and Hate Crime/Assault charges. According to public records, she pleaded not guilty at her initial court hearing. She’s being represented by an attorney from Legal Aid and her next court date is January 8.
On November 27, 26-year-old UWS resident Mehwish Omer was arrested on Hate Crime/Assault and Hate Crime/Criminal Mischief charges. As of writing, there are no public records regarding Omer’s arrest.
Good news. Hate has no home here.
Good. I have absolutely no compassion for these two heaps of hate. My compassion is reserved for the victim I’m glad she’s okay and very happy she pressed charges.
Note that there is no such thing as a crime victim “pressing charges.”
The decision to charge rests with the District Attorney’s office.
The victim is not a party to the criminal case, which is brought in the Name of the People.
The victim if she so desires has the role of “complaining witness.”
But in many cases, the D.A. has enough evidence to convict without the victim being involved.
And in fact, there are some cases where the victim *wants* to testify, but isn’t permitted to do so.
Thank you for this information! Well, I’m glad the two offenders were brought up on charges and that the victim is okay.
I am curious about something. Once all the hostages are released (and they are being released on a pretty regular basis now), who is going to take down the zillions of posters that have turned our community into an eyesore?
I get it, and I support the cause. But I can support more than one cause at a time. And I also support my own neighborhood and community, including not having it covered head to toe in flyers. So who is going to remove them when all the hostages are released? The people who put them up? I doubt it. And what about the entire empty storefront windows now covered from top to bottom with posters that are glued on rather than taped? Who is going to pay for THEIR removal? The people who put them up? Again, I doubt it. So they are going to leave it to the landlords to pay to have them removed. How wonderfully neighborly.
The two women who assaulted the other woman were properly arrested and charged, and they should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. However, I have actually witnessed FAR more incidents of assaults by people who support the cause on people who are removing the posters. In fact, emotions are so high that I have witnessed near-assaults on people who simply criticize the posters, without even trying to take them down.
We need to take the temperature down, particularly now that the hostages are being released on a fairly regular basis. The people who put up the posters made their point. It is time to consider removing them.
“Are being released on a pretty regular basis” – are you for real?!? 50 out of the 240 hostages were agreed to be released within the temporary ceasefire agreement. Putting aside the sick, psychological, mind games Hamas is playing, this is far from being “over”. Until the last one of the comes home. When the last one comes home, I personally will help take down all the posters. So get your facts straight, and don’t worry about “who will clean up the posters”
“When the last one comes home, I personally will help take down all the posters.” Why wait until then? Is the presence of the posters DOING anything to change the situation “on the ground” in Israel and Gaza? What changes when “the last one comes home” that make the posters any more or less “helpful?” Why would they be less “helpful” if you took them all down today?
Ian Alterman, you are kidding with these questions, right? I think you know why not now and when the last innocent person who was taken so brutally from their home is released. If you are really asking, then you do not obviously understand or you have a different reason. We GOT you. (more caps for you so you like them so much). You care about your eyesore. You are welcome to go pick up trash daily from the neighborhood since there is so much of it and you are really wanting us to believe you want the posters down because they are an eyesore.
“Ian Alterman, you are kidding with these questions, right?” Nope, I am not kidding.
“I think you know why not now and when the last innocent person who was taken so brutally from their home is released.” I do not, and apparently no one here is able to enlighten me – because I have not heard one logical, rational answer to my questions.
“You are welcome to go pick up trash daily from the neighborhood since there is so much of it and you are really wanting us to believe you want the posters down because they are an eyesore.” Thank you for inviting me to care about my own neighborhood and community.
I spent 11 years on the Executive Board of the 20th Precinct Council, four of them as president. One of the top three complaints we heard consistently from local constituents at our monthly meetings was the eyesore of postering. Over a number of years, we, and many of our neighbors, “cleaned up” that postering, and the neighborhood had nary a poster in sight. It made the neighborhood look better, and as part of the “broken windows” theory of law enforcement and community safety, it made the neighborhood safer as well. (An “ugly” neighborhood “invites” crime.) So there is good reason for me to feel the way I do.
What is absolutely shocking about ALL of your responses is that not ONE of you has noticed that, despite all my comments, and my feelings about the situation, I have personally not removed a SINGLE flyer. Funny, that. And even I might not remove a single one until all of the hostages are released. But that doesn’t mean I cannot express my opinion about the situation, or that it is wrong. And despite ALL of you attempting to “label” me in some fashion, you are not only inaccurate, but my own actions (or lack thereof) undermine those attempts.
But then, as I noted, not one of you is reacting from any degree of logic, rationality or even common sense; you are reacting entirely from emotion. And emotions are good, and solidarity is good. But there are other ways to express and share solidarity without turning one’s neighborhood into an eyesore. I’m not sure why that is so controversial.
Letters and phone calls to political and legislative leaders. Protests and other “personal” actions, even hiring a skywriting plane to write “Release all hostages now.” All of these contain far more solidarity than putting up a flyer – and are also far more effective, if you are actually looking to have an effect. And I’m sure many of you have done these things as well (though perhaps not the skywriting plane). But those things can (and sometimes do) bring about actual change (i.e., affect the “actions on the ground”), while putting up flyers does not.
Finally, I would add that I have spoken with Jewish mothers who consider the flyers inappropriate because they are “too intense” for some of their school-aged children, and I have seen these Jewish mothers take down some of the flyers. Do any of you care about THAT?
Ian Alterman, just because you saw a Jewish mother take a poster down (not sure how you knew she was Jewish but ok), it doesn’t mean that it justifies what you say. What does the person’e religion have to do with your point? Frankly there are not many who have taken down the posters innocently and those that have done so are more in the category of the 2 women who were arrested or do say very inhumane things about the hostages or antisemitic saying or they say they are lies and they deserved it. So a few persons taking something down (if innocently) does not justify your argument.
You keep saying there is not one rational answer to what you say. That is precisely the issue, you are not listening to the answer because you do not want to. You want to make taking down the posters to be your most important issue.
I and your neighbors look forward to you then participating in some form of advocacy as you mention, it doesn’t have to be putting up posters. When you do, let us know and take a picture so we can applaud your humanity.
“just because you saw a Jewish mother take a poster down (not sure how you knew she was Jewish but ok), it doesn’t mean that it justifies what you say. What does the person’s religion have to do with your point?”
Are you seriously asking me those two questions? If you can’t figure out the answers for yourself, then you are not as smart as I thought you were.
“You keep saying there is not one rational answer to what you say. That is precisely the issue, you are not listening to the answer because you do not want to.”
I very much want to. But not one of you has shown, in any way at all, that the putting of flyers might have, could have, is having ANY effect on the facts on the ground in Israel/Gaza. If all of you are so sure that they are, why can none of you tell me how?
“I and your neighbors look forward to you then participating in some form of advocacy as you mention, it doesn’t have to be putting up posters. When you do, let us know and take a picture so we can applaud your humanity.” Setting aside the almost breath-taking presumption and arrogance of this statement, the thing is that I have NOTHING to prove to you or anyone else. Nor do I care whether you “applaud” me or not, whatever I may do. Because if that were the case, you would be applauding me from now until the day you pass.
You know NOTHING about what I have done or continue to do, on any number of socio-political and other issues. And I don’t want or need “applause” for it.
You are a ridiculous troll.
Nobody should have “fed” you by replying to you in the first place — it was obvious you are a ridiculous troll — and the only thing anybody should do from now on is to ignore you.
Ian Alterman, you have posted several times about these posters and how you are against them. You care more about an eyesore than to bring more than 200 human lives that are hostages to monsters back home. You are kidding about the regular release like as if it is done and now we must all move on?. You care more about your eyesore than humanity it seems. There are 2 babies who are not returned and Hamas says they do not know where they are. Your math is off, there were 240 or so hostages taken and only 40 Israelis have been returned along with 17 or so Thai/Filipino nationals. This means that more than 180 (!) hostages are still there. It is not clear what the fate of many male hostages are.
You are not being truthful about your intentions when you say you support the cause. How are you supporting the cause? What do you do to condemn hostage taking and rally to bring innocent kidnapped people home. You often say you support homeless but do not see how advocating to bring innocent hostages home is important. If you are so concerned about the cost of taking down posters, you can perhaps volunteer to help. Amazing you are worried about that since they have been easily taken down so many times.
With respect, your posters are not going to do ONE IOTA to help bring the hostages back. Hamas doesn’t care about your posters, even the IDF doesn’t care. So why have the posters up at all? It is SOLELY for a sense of solidarity. But don’t B.S. me that it is somehow important to have them up in order to get the hostages released. As for what I do and how with regard to this situation, it includes many things, but doesn’t include destroying my own neighborhood, since there is NOTHING the posters can do to help the situation other than provide a sense of solidarity among those who support the cause here. and yes, that solidarity is important, and the posters have now been up for a month, so it’s not like everyone hasn’t been made aware of the situation.
With all due respect don’t B.S us about knowing what others care about since you do not know. Are you the IDF and Hamas spokesperson? We KNOW though (adding caps since you like them so much) that with your repeated statements of condemning these posters, you care about caring more about your eyesore than being on the side of humanity in this case. It is amazing that you do not understand the importance of advocacy to bring about justice and think these actions were not called for from day one. You were so ready to be done with hearing and seeing about the hostages since some 40 have been released. If your family was taken hostage in this way, we would do the same for you because we GIVE A DAMN (again using cap words since you like them so much).
Isn’t never complained about the filthy streets and all of the blm posters.
Actually, I did, and I removed many of those posters as well. However, to be fair, there weren’t NEARLY as many of those as there are of the current ones. The ratio is about 100:1.
“Are you the IDF and Hamas spokesperson?”
Let me get this straight – and try not to misquote you. You are saying that these posters had something to do with the release of the hostages thus far? That somehow, this particular form of “advocacy” actually affected the “facts on the ground,” including Hamas’ decision to release hostages?
That would be funny were it not so delusional.
“It is amazing that you do not understand the importance of advocacy to bring about justice and think these actions were not called for from day one.”
I will simply respond by saying that you are 100% incorrect in your presumption here. In my 65 years, I have done more advocacy for more causes to bring about more justice than I have time or space to list.
“If your family was taken hostage in this way, we would do the same for you because we GIVE A DAMN (again using cap words since you like them so much).”
You can take from this what you will, but if my family were taken hostage in this way, I wouldn’t put up a single poster, or want anyone else to – BECAUSE I KNOW THAT IT WILL DO NOTHING TO CHANGE THE ACTIONS ON THE GROUND. Not because I don’t give a damn about my family, but because postering has ZERO value EXCEPT to provide emotional solidarity. That so many of you believe otherwise is actually bizarre in the extreme.
Oh, and I use caps because this system does not allow italics or bolding. Otherwise, I would not use them at all. But thanks for the unnecessary, irrelevant and mean-spirited addition. You are clearly such a better human being than I am.
Ian Altermen, hmm and your responses very nice indeed. There is a word for that but I won’t use it. you use big words like delusional in your debate which does not make sense when you just name call to get attention. You are a MAN WHO IS SO INTENT IN TAKING ON the ADVOCACY FOR TEARING DOWN POSTERS ABOUT INNOCENT KIDNAPPED PEOPLE. (see more caps since you really like them it seems) Posting on various sites on UWS over and over, the same point. You have been posting since the kidnapping so like for 2.5 months. I see your post on ILUWS now, keep working so hard to bring attention to the important need for you to not see the eyesore of kidnapped humans, Honestly, isn’t there another good cause you can take on to help. You have made your point about what is important to you.
Yes, advocacy is important to make bringing back hostages home a priority. Advocacy is always important in such a case, not only it shows solidarity with the victims, it might bring about some action.
Again, I suggest you go pick up trash from the streets since you really want to reduce eyesore. you would be more effective that way.
As I have said, I only use caps because this system does not allow any other way to stress a word or phrase: it does not allow italics, underline or bold. So the fact that you keep haranguing me about it says SO MUCH MORE about you than it does about me.
“You are a MAN WHO IS SO INTENT IN TAKING ON the ADVOCACY FOR TEARING DOWN POSTERS ABOUT INNOCENT KIDNAPPED PEOPLE.”
No, I am a man intent on caring about the neighborhood I live in – and I can care about it at the same time that I care about people being taken hostage. (I can also walk and chew gum at the same time. Imagine that!) And neither you nor anyone else has thus far provided me with a single shred of evidence – even anecdotal evidence – that putting up a flyer is in any way effective in changing the situation on the ground. If and when you or anyone else can provide that, I will stop daring to advocate for more than one thing at a time.
And until then, it would also be nice to see any of YOU show enough humility and rationality to admit that the ONLY purpose the flyers serve is one of emotional solidarity, and NOT any actual effect on the situation. And there is nothing wrong with that; but at least be honest about it.
I won’t hold my breath.
“…your posters are not going to do ONE IOTA to help bring the hostages back. Hamas doesn’t care about your posters, even the IDF doesn’t care. So why have the posters up at all?”
You can’t be even vaguely serious. Obviously this country is complicit (to put it extremely mildly) in all of this. The more pressure on us/U.S., preferably without explosions, the better.
“Obviously this country is complicit (to put it extremely mildly) in all of this. The more pressure on us/U.S., preferably without explosions, the better.”
I don’t disagree with your initial premise. But neither you nor anyone else has shown even the remotest evidence that a flyer (as opposed to, say, a letter or phone call, or joining a protest) puts even the slightest “pressure” on “the U.S.”
You are a ridiculous troll.
Hopefully, now that I have brought this fact to light, others will stop “feeding” you, causing this grotesque contamination by troll of the comments.
Only 50 of the hostages were released
Hamas is still holding 190 men woman and children. They include members of my family. The posters wont come down until ALL are freed.
I am appalled that you are concerned about your belief that the posters are a problem.
“Only 50 of the hostages were released. Hamas is still holding 190 men woman and children. They include members of my family. The posters won’t come down until ALL are freed.”
I am obviously sorry and appalled that members of your own family have been kidnapped. I hope they are safe and will be returned as soon as possible, in healthy condition.
But that STILL doesn’t answer my question. You say the posters won’t come down until all are freed. Are you then suggesting that the existence of the posters themselves are having a provable effect on whether hostages are released? I.e., that if you take down the posters PRIOR to “all” of the hostages being released, that the rest won’t be released, or that it will take longer? Is that what you are saying?
Otherwise, I still don’t get the “relationship” between the posters and the releasing of hostages – which is the question I have been asking since the beginning – with no clear answer from anyone.
Ian Alterman, Apparently, if you were hit with a 10 foot pole, you would just repeat the same and not know anything. In school did your teachers explain things to you and you kept saying I don’t get it cause you don’t get it? It is appalling that you have taken on this issue and bothering everyone with your nonsense, rather than do something to support the innocent hostages. One really questions that you are doing so cause you do not like to be reminded of the inhumanity that have come upon these people because they are Israelis. You are no different in this case form the many antisemites taking down these posters.
“It is appalling that you have taken on this issue and bothering everyone with your nonsense, rather than do something to support the innocent hostages. One really questions that you are doing so cause you do not like to be reminded of the inhumanity that have come upon these people because they are Israelis.”
Yet more presumption and misinterpretation on your part. And I’ve already told you that I have nothing to prove to you or anyone else about what I am or might be doing with regard to the present situation. And it has nothing to do with “being reminded of the inhumanity” of the situation.
As for “You are no different in this case form (sic) the many antisemites taking down these posters,” now you are coming close to crossing a rubicon with me and I strongly suggest you think twice before making any other similar comments.
Well, “if the shoe fits..”
Taking down the posters is antisemitic. Posters go up so we do everything we can to support the families, stand with humanity and to bring back innocent hostages taken in Israel”. Just think about it, today we have the possibility that the 10 month old baby is dead. It makes me cry and you should too if you are on the side of humanity. His pictures are on the posters, you can take a look so you understand why his picture is on a poster to bring him back home. I pray this news is not true.
If “praying” did one even tiny useful thing, we wouldn’t be having this discussion. Save your breath and grow up.
Enlightening counter.
“Taking down the posters is antisemitic.”
That’s just plain B.S. Anti-Semitism is in the “intent,” not in the act. If I criticize Israeli policy, it does not make me anti-Semitic. And taking down posters without the intent of anti-Semitism is NOT anti-Semitic. Anti-Semitism is defined as “hostility or prejudice toward the Jewish people.” Removing posters without the intent of being hostile or prejudice is NOT anti-Semitism. It is easy to throw words and phrases around, but it helps to know what they actually mean.
“Posters go up so we do everything we can to support the families, stand with humanity and to bring back innocent hostages taken in Israel”.
You almost finally gave me an HONEST answer to my question: that the posters are to support the families and stand with humanity. But you bring it right back to dishonesty when you say “bring back…hostages in Israel.” That has been the entire point of my ongoing comments. The posters do zero, nothing, nada, zilch to actually affect when, whether and how the hostages get released. It is this lie that bothers me.
As I noted, if even one of you would admit that the flyers have zero connection to the actual release of hostages, I would never have taken this as far as I have. But you are all lying to yourselves and to others when you continue to claim that there is ANY causal connection between the posters and the release of hostages. Not ONE of you has had the humility to admit this. And that is ALL I have been looking for: honesty and humility with regard to the reason for turning the neighborhood into an eyesore. “We did it because we are showing solidarity with the hostages and those whose families have been affected.” NOT “we did it because the posters make a difference when, whether and how hostages are released.” It is your insistence on the latter that got my back up.
Why is it that not ONE of you can make the statement in an honest, forthright way, leaving out any connection to the actual release of hostages? Had even one of you done that at any point, I would have ceased commenting and gone about my business.
I have been nothing but honest and forthright from the beginning. You may not APPRECIATE that honesty and forthrightness, or the opinions that are expressed. But I have not tried to convince any of you of something that is basically a flat-out lie. Yet you all tenaciously hold onto that lie – or delusion, or simply inaccurate statement. Why are you so married to that inaccuracy?
Sadly it is.
The posters stay up until “all” hostages come back. We are nowhere near that, we have about 160 still to be coming back.
I am spending this time as I care so much about the hostages and want them to come back home now, Why are you spending so much time, because you say “you care about your eyesore”. We have heard you loud and clear. Enough said. Goodbye.
I have spoken to many, many people about the posters – including many who are as passionate about the situation as you (and some others here) are. This includes groups of people actually putting up the posters.
Yet you (and some other here) are the only ones who actually believe there is any “causal connection” between the posters and the releasing of hostages. EVERYONE ELSE I have spoken to (including the most passionate, including those putting up the posters) admit that the posters themselves are not going to do anything to specifically effect the release of hostages, but that they support the posters being up because it is important to support ” the cause” and the people involved. They, at least, are honest enough to realize and admit the truth.
For several days, too many posts, and too much tension, that is ALL I was looking for from you or anyone else here. That simple truth.
Stop all hate ! Trump hate too !
Deport all these Hamas loving scumbags
You do realize that one does not have to “love Hamas” to disagree with some Israeli policies, right? That it is possible to support Israel’s right to exist, and its protection, while also disagreeing with some of its policies toward the Palestinians in Gaza?
Ian Alterman, how do you equate taking down the posters to disagreeing with Israeli policies? I think you might be outing yourself by I guess saying that you want to take down the posters because you are against Israel? It all makes sense, you think advocating for and supporting to bring back hostages home is supporting Israel. This is why so many are tearing them down, when they ask them why, they say because these are lies, there are no hostages and then say some antisemitic and anti-Israel things.. Not all but many.
“how do you equate taking down the posters to disagreeing with Israeli policies?”
You are deliberately(?) misreading my comment. I never said that or implied it. I was simply making a point.
“It all makes sense, you think advocating for and supporting to bring back hostages home is supporting Israel.”
Again, you misread my comment, and put words in my mouth. I never said or implied anything of the sort.
“This is why so many are tearing them down, when they ask them why, they say because these are lies, there are no hostages.”
But I have NOT said or suggested that.
Your response is SO typical; misread, misquote, accuse, assume. Not ONE WORD of your response is an accurate response to my comment.
In theory, perhaps, but Israel is a democracy. They treat people fairly and they value people’s choices. They were attacked viciously. They didn’t start this. My only criticism is that someone should have been watching for an attack like this why did they let their guard down? You can’t get lax when you’re dealing with violent criminals
“In theory, perhaps, but Israel is a democracy. They treat people fairly and they value people’s choices.”
You are woefully misinformed. Israel is losing its democracy as fast as we are. Did you not see the largest protest in Israeli history when Netanyahu tried to make authoritarian-style changes to their Supreme Court? Is that a case of “valuing the people’s choice?”
Are you aware that Netanyahu’s approval rating is currently 4%? That is not a typo. 4%. The overwhelming majority of Israelis want him gone.
Israelis sense that they are LOSING their democracy; that it is being undermined and weakened every day.
Yes, many Israelis want him gone but that does not mean Israel is not a democracy. It has to elect people but since no clear winner emerges, they form a coalition. It is exactly a democracy when people can voice their opinion about their government and policies. There are many complicated issues in Israel such as the change in demographics, threat from terrorists such as the ones backed by Iran (Hezbollah, Houttis, ..) etc. Netanyahu would not survive another election but until then he would have to resign and he cannot be thrown out with a coup.
Like so many other Americans, you are developing a thinner and thinner definition of “democracy.” Sadly, this is a global trend, and one of the scariest things I have ever watched in my 65 years on this planet. 🙁
So you are 65 and have nothing better to do than to be a ridiculous troll in these comments?
To others: Stop feeding this ridiculous troll.
Do not respond to it.
Like all too many people, you misuse the word “troll” to describe me. The definition of troll is:
“(i) A person who makes a deliberately offensive or provocative online post; (ii) to make a deliberately offensive or provocative online post with the aim of upsetting someone or eliciting an angry response from them.”
Neither of these apply to me. I am certainly not being “deliberately” offensive (though clearly some people seem offended by my comments and questions), and my comments and questions are not intended to be “provocative” or “upset” anyone, or elicit an “angry” response (though, again, some people are clearly upset by my comments and questions and are angry with me.)
It is all about “intent.” My comments and questions are legitimate in every way, and I have a right to expect responses that are relevant, on point, and perhaps even “helpful,” since, clearly, no one has been able to answer even the simplest question I have been asking from the beginning.
None of this makes me a “troll.” Debate is not trolling; discussion is not trolling, even passionate disagreement is not trolling. The only response I am trying to “elicit” is an answer to what seems a very simple question. Yet even with all the back-and-forth passion and tension, no one has been able to do so.
What should the Israeli policy toward rape and beheading be.?
On what grounds?
All of the Hamas lovers, the robotic, filthy looking kids who vandalize, should be sent to the Gaza, especially the girls and the gays. Hammas would just love them
Wow. Throw ’em to the lions? Doesn’t help your histrionic point of view. I am sorry you are feeling so terrible.
It’s disgusting that they are protesting against Israel. Israel was tragically attacked by subhuman savages. It’s not helpful to have a bunch of ignorant kids protesting against Israel and the Jews. Throwing them to the lions would be too kind. Throw them to Hamas then they could really form an opinion
Um, are we still “talking” about posters? This has gone off the rails now.
Maybe Ian Alterman should move to the Gaza Strip b/c he likes Hamas so much. I’m sure there are no flyers posted on poles over there.
“Maybe Ian Alterman should move to the Gaza Strip b/c he likes Hamas so much.”
If that is what you are getting from my comments, then your reading comprehension needs some work. I do not like Hamas, nor has anything I said suggested it. That you and others are ow putting words in my mouth is typical of people who cannot actually answer the questions being asked, or respond with any sense of rationality, much less humility.
Your presumptions about me say FAR more about you than they do about me.
You’re right ian, you can be subversive as you like. And you don’t have to have any cares at all about the Israelis and Jewish people in general. Maybe, I’m wrong, maybe you do care about us. It just feels a little weird the way you show it
“You’re right ian, you can be subversive as you like. And you don’t have to have any cares at all about the Israelis and Jewish people in general. Maybe, I’m wrong, maybe you do care about us. It just feels a little weird the way you show it.”
I don’t think of myself as “subversive.” And I do have cares about the Israelis and Jewish people. But I ALSO have cares about the Palestinians (though not about Hamas).
And you ARE wrong. And when you say “us,” you can include me; I am Jewish by birth, and my grandparents had numbers on their arms. So yes, I DO know a little something about things, and DO care.
The fact that so few of you can think beyond a single subject – and that you consider everything mutually exclusive – in my opinion makes all of YOU extremely “narrow.”
BTW, there was a comment on this article on Gothamist that said the exact same thing I have been saying; a woman who had sympathy for the situation, but also felt that the flyers were useless beyond solidarity and were making an eyesore out of the neighborhood and community.
Maybe you should all go over there and harangue her, too.
Keep patting yourself on the back. In this case, you are being on the side of those who are tearing down these posters and saying awful things rather than supporting everyone in the cause of bringing back innocent hostages who have suffered so much. Who cares about your eyesore. Making noise everywhere about these hostages so they can all come home. Many places, are creating dining tables with chairs for all hostages, It is the same gesture of support and advocacy. These things are shown around the world about who we support . You say you are not Hamas supporter, but you want to go tear down the posters about innocent people so your eyes do not hurt. Wow, you have convinced us why we should take down the posters.
My comment above is meant for Ian Alterman.
You are absolutely right uws mom. During the horrible violent protesting, looting, violence around George Floyd, ian was all for that. When it comes to pure decency and logic, he’s against Israel and most likely Jews. He should go on a hunger strike with Cynthia Dixon, they could starve together
“You are absolutely right uws mom. During the horrible violent protesting, looting, violence around George Floyd, ian was all for that.”
EXCUSE ME?!?!?! What the hell are you talking about?! When did I say, suggest, imply, infer or otherwise support the violence and looting around the George Floyd incident? You either show me something I said or did or I am going to sue you for defamation and libel!
Who the f— do you think you are? You have every right to disagree with me, debate me, dislike me, even hate me. What you do NOT have a right to do so LIE – OPENLY and IN PRINT – about me. You either retract your comment or you will find that I know a lot more about the law than you think I do.
At least UWS mom has never blatantly lied about me or something I said or did. And despite our significant disagreement, I respect her for that.
“In this case, you are being on the side of those who are tearing down these posters and saying awful things rather than supporting everyone in the cause of bringing back innocent hostages who have suffered so much.”
If I were truly and actively on the side of those who are tearing down the posters, then wouldn’t I be doing so as well? Yet NONE of you have realized that, despite my comments, I have personally not removed a single poster – or said anything “awful” about people who are supporting the cause.
That is simply your interpretation of things. But it is wrong.
Ian, your choice to focus on these posters to the point of obsession is disturbing. You’re outnumbered here in your crusade of one. Let it go.
My focus is only tangentially on the posters themselves. My actual focus, as I have now made clear, is on the lack of honesty about their purpose. And I am hardly a “crusade of one” – except perhaps on these comment threads. I can assure you that there are dozens of others out there who agree with me – including some of the those actually putting up the posters. Simply because they do not choose to engage on these comment threads does not mean they agree with you.
Why, do you think these comment threads represent the feelings of the entire 267,000 people who live on the UWS? If so, you might want to re-think that idea.